Curse

AuraofMana · Dec 24, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

It's when Factions just came out.. new sins keep trying to tank, so everyone assume they suck.
There are always noobs in every class -.-
Assassin deals the most damage out of all classes.

Slizarus · Jan 01, 2007, 05:13 AM // 05:13

After starting this game with a Ranger..
Making my main as a Rit..
And ending up playing a Sin I made only because she looked cool..
She became my Main.. I just beat NF with her (Would have done it in the first week of NF.. but became stuck at Gate of Pain.. So much Sin hate every time I went there and I just couldn't manage it on my own, I ended up paying a runner)
It's an amazingly fun class.. Melee spiker who can do anything and everything I require her to with Ease..
It's a great class PvE.. and those who say they're purely for PvP are kidding themselves.. I think a great deal of the "PvE Sins Suxxorz" thoughts came about with the afflicted and their exploding nature..
And this is why I went through NF and Proph before Factions..

Bowstring Badass · Jan 01, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuraofMana

It's when Factions just came out.. new sins keep trying to tank, so everyone assume they suck.
There are always noobs in every class -.-
Assassin deals the most damage out of all classes.

This is debateable.

gobla · Jan 01, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

A/N rocks for PvE if you ask me

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MoP + Death Blossom + Rest of your combo = High armor ignoring AoE damage

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Parasitic Bond = More healing in PvE then you'll most likely need. Cast it on a few enemies while the tank rounds up agro and you'll get spike healed when stuff starts to die

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Corpse Transportation = More teleports to ditch agro with

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Flightmare · Jan 01, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Well, I've still got some discrimination last time. And only dumb people want assassins kicked out of parties, even while there weren't even enoegh players to fill the whole party. ANet keeps updating the game for a reason, to keep the game balanced so there is no better or worse class, just strange that people don't seem to understand that point.

Chamber Asgardian · Jan 01, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

I've faced tons of discrimination there's always some retard who says sins suck balls and all of them are noobs, which is why I like to always say to that person it's the player not the class. And I always tell them maybe they think a classs sucks b/c they can't play s***. It's so annoying having to go through all that crap. I wish people weren't so stupid and has such rash judgement. O yea i also faced racial criticism about asians the other day and took screenshots, how would u get someone banned for something so cruel as racial discrimination?

Mr IGg · Jan 01, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuraofMana

It's when Factions just came out.. new sins keep trying to tank, so everyone assume they suck.
There are always noobs in every class -.-
Assassin deals the most damage out of all classes.

I agree with this, when factions first arrived people came out expecting assassins to be a warrior but with daggers. Obviously this rubbed off kinda badly with alot of people. The other thing I hear mentioned is that assassins are to 'sqeashy', but the only time I ever found this to be true was whilest fight affliceted(stupid explosion) or the shiro'ken(Elementalist with silver armor always targeting sin first) but it was never overwelming. Most of the assassins players that are left in PVE show tht they do work extremely well in PVE.

Dutch Masterr · Jan 01, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

no other class can kill a tank (or any profession) in under 6 seconds other than an assassin, and that is why i love them =P

Superdarth · Jan 02, 2007, 10:07 AM // 10:07

When Factions came out everyone wanted to play the new classes, so everyone played a Ritualist and an Assasin..ofcourse many of them should not have done that and competely sucked, wich is why everyone hated assasins, at least this is what i think since it would explain the OP's story.

Now that Nightfall is out everyone wants to be a Dervish and Paragon, so people are playing those, they probably suck at that to but now the Assasin is much less played by the noobs, leaving the more skilled amongst us to play there assasin properly and kick major ass.

Basicly the rotten apples have gone to the next trend, so the Assasins that are left can now restore its name.

Just a theory tho..

Laenavesse · Jan 02, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

I think that's pretty valid, the flood of dervishes and paragons really blow my mind and I find that the dervishes died more than my sin did when I brought her over in the early nightfall days o.O

There was only ONE time when I was kicked out of a party, and that was actually in Nightfall, not Factions, and it was the second to last mission with all the dryders. I think it was the monk who was like "OMFG a sin?!" and the next thing I know I'm out o.o I felt rather miffed about it since it really was the first time EVER (not even in factions o_o; ) and I run a whacked out Temple Strike build that works pretty well for me o.O (I can't seem to play any of the other builds..tried..but the one I concocted works the best for my style o.o) which kicked those dryders' butts.

The team I did get in (with like 3 other dervishes, two of them using balth >_>) worshipped me since I kept dazing the dryders and falaharn's chakrams (however it's spelled) making it last even longer.

But yeah, in early nightfall, there were hardly any sins (even less rits) there so I think they were like "oooh aaah o.o" cos new people were starting in nightfall and probably had never seen a sin before so even if i randomly invited myself i'd get accepted. Plus I was level 20 and everyone else was still like 17 or something >_>

I died so much less in nightfall >> I had to use recall in factions to pop away from explosions and stuff and it was nice being able to take that skill away and put in another skill to use.

I also blame Naruto (and 4Kids for the dub) for the number of young kids who go as assassins. Even they are the coolest looking class EVAH.

Anyway, by the time a sin arrives in nightfall and reaches the end of the game by soloing everything except missions it should be deducted that the person should pretty damn well know how to use her character >_> *still fuming over that incident* I had monks compliment me after doing Tahnnaki Temple cos I never died and the other sin in the group kept dying left and right >O *grumblemutter*

Tarantus · Jan 02, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Laenavesse

But yeah, in early nightfall, there were hardly any sins (even less rits) there so I think they were like "oooh aaah o.o" cos new people were starting in nightfall and probably had never seen a sin before so even if i randomly invited myself i'd get accepted.

Hmm that could explain the lack of hate towards assassins, although it could be that the 'less gifted' assassins have all moved on to Dervishes.

Tozen · Jan 03, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

I have found it easier as well until you come to a zone that is actually challenging.

Nobody has taken me in several attempts for DoA missions. (Both the elite zone and normal zone)

Laenavesse · Jan 03, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Yeah, the later master missions in the realm of torment are hard to get into...though that's also because there never seems to be anyone doing them xD Like the Troubled Keeper one _._

Dutch Masterr · Jan 03, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

right now im stuck on gate of madness (if thats the name of the second to last mission) and i can find a group fairly easily, i just cant find a group that can actually beat it. there are never enough monks or casters around to get the job done. i cruised through nightfall in about a week on my sin.

im not even going to bother to try to get a group in DoA because that will just never happen....even with my love for the assassin, i have to say that there is no room for them in any group in DoA.

pve-er · Jan 03, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Gate of Madness require specialized team build that can survive until you meet shiro as well as taking down Shiro. the hard part is too many quitter and many who haven't met shiro before. I had written a guide of how I slain Shiro in gate of madness with hero and hench in Elonean Thread. take a look please

random.name · Jan 03, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Up until the release of Nightfall I refused to group with a Sin when I played my monk. It was a harsh stance to take I admit, but 75% of the players simply did not add anything to the team. Now that NF has been released all the noobs have created dervishes, so now I refuse to group with a dervish unless its a guildie. Again, harsh I know but 75% of them simply cant play the class with any degree of skill.

I also disagree with the notion that a sin isn't a PvE class. Sin is perfect in PvE in certain roles. I have always played my sin in a 'support' role. I would simply wait for the tank to get the aggro, shadow step to the squishies, kill and return. Rinse and repeat. This is especially effective with the new AI changes. The general rule of thumb in PvE is for the whole group to target the healers first. This has become a dangerous thing to do with the AI changes because if everyone rushes the same target, the AI chooses a random group member to attack. And this is why sin rules atm. Let your team attack the main group instead of the healer, and let me take care of him. One shadow step, 2 chains at the most and any healer out there is dead.

visitor · Jan 21, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

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Originally Posted by ecknine

hey people ... Assasins Never Sucked ... where do u get this from , people who say assasin's suck probably never played one or just listened too what the crowd says ...i mean , Assasin never where bad , just played poorly by 12 year olds who think 'ninja's' are cool. I still hate it when people Say it ...i have something like : oh My Gawd ...have u ever played an assasin , guess not , cause if u would have played you wouldn't say they suck unless YOU suck AT being an Assasin !
Who even started this 'romour' that assasin's suck ... wheres this 12 year old kid ?

~silent ecknine

*whistles and looks somewhere else*

btw im 13 in 2 weeks

Priest Of Sin · Jan 21, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Time spent at Gate Of Pain: 3 weeks. Am I pissed? Yes. Will I pay a runner? Chances are, yeah. Why do I want to get thru the story? To cap golden jaw strike. That's it.

SotiCoto · Jan 22, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Meh...

I've been in charge of parties going for missions in the past.... and everyone broke into a fit of outrage when I invited a second assassin into the party... so I kicked all the ones who were complaining, irrespective of their class, because I wanted to give the other assassin a chance.
On that occasion it turned out he did kinda suck.... but I made up for that myself by not sucking... at least on that occasion.
I haven't really had so much of the same problem since..... except when some guy refused to join my party because I wanted to bring Zenmai with me (Is there something intrinsically wrong with an Assassin wanting to bring another Assassin along? ... Need I mention it was for Arcane Mimicry purposes?)...
It just reminds me why I don't usually play with human meatbags. Heroes and henchies are much more reliable, controllable and complain less.

As for people with the survivor title....

... Some ritualist lady was allowed into the party for the Nahpui Mission this morning. The moment I saw she had the Survivor title I took my three heroes and quit... I almost feel sorry for them if they actually tried to go on in the mission after that (but at least I did it right at the start), but I'd just got out of another party of layabouts and AFKers, and had no intention of repeating my mistake.

Coloneh · Jan 23, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

well the main problem with factions and sins was the afflicted and their explosions. it couldnt be protected against by an assasin since they couldnt block/evade it. there arent afflicted in NF.